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Love and War - Pt 81
Posted on Sun Oct 12th 2008 at 11:00pm

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Posted by RyanMC on Sun Oct 12th 2008 at 10:33pm
Given the size difference between the sprites in the Sonic Advance series and Sonic & Knuckles (particularly the Master Emerald) I pretty much had to completely rebuild the entire background for the Hidden Palace Zone. Turned out better than I expected.

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Posted by BattleStarX on Sun Oct 12th 2008 at 11:04pm
I loved those Super Chaos Emeralds. I miss Hyper Sonic... mind you I suicided more times than not, but still, the sheer speed, the double jump, and a stage clearin' flash when you double jump... Shadow and his puny chaos powers can just sit on the side lines.

Posted by Angel85 on Sun Oct 12th 2008 at 11:08pm
Ah, I had an inkling you'd use the Super emeralds when you mentioned hidden palace zone. I wonder what that place does, perhaps some kind of chaos inverter that makes the emeralds enhance each other instead of cancel?

Posted by Guest on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 12:34am
I miss the really huge Master Emerald and those huge Super Emeralds. Shame that you had to shrink down both. But it would probably weird to have those humongous things spinning around while going hyper.

Heck, you could spin the super emeralds around yourself as an attack and kill everyone that way.

Please return super emeralds. We want hyper sonic in the games again.

Posted by Dark-Chaos on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 1:28am
O_O
Oh no... King's planning on using the Islands defenses. Either the the islands ability to discharge blasts and beams of Chaos Energy (Fleetway Comics), or use the Islands energy shield and use it as a base (the thing can go in space, or course it has a shield).

Some nice work on the background. You wouldn't be willing to share this at all would you? I doubt I'd personally use it but I know people would love to use this.

Posted by Shadow (Guest) on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 9:02am
Ah, the super emeralds. Something Sonic Team seems to have forgotten about.

I miss the days when it wasn't just Sonic and Shadow who had super forms. Knuckles had one. Tails had one too, although not a hyper form. I guess Echindas and Hedgehogs just have a stronger link the the emeralds.

...YAY THIS MEANS HYPER MEGASONIC..thing.

Posted by Dragonman on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 9:04am
Wait, so we're going to see hyper sonic?

YAY, SEIZURE SONIC TI-*Gets a seizure from staring at hyper sonic*

Posted by BioTube on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 9:09am
This is what I get for only playing SA and SA2: random shocks from left field. I guess it's time to break down and actually try and beat the original Sonic the Hedgehog.

Posted by BattleStarX on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 9:51am
@ Shadow (Guest)
I believe I have an explanation as to why the others can't go super...

Sonic is supossedly some great, legendary hero reincarnated, not that he or most of the rest of the crew know that, but there's supposed to be a tablet of that somewhere on Knuckle's island. As for Shadow, not only is he a copy of Sonic (right down to the fact that his quills are standing up, since he was copied after Super Sonic) but he was also made specifically FOR the Chaos Emeralds. No as to why Knuckles lost his Super Form is probably because he spends a whole lot less time on his Island and away from the Master Emerald, unless a certain bat thief wants it. Because of that, he hasn't absorbed as much of the Master Emeralds power, thus he's lost the usage of the Chaos Emeralds. Tails, on the other hand, never could use 'em until they were super charged.

Now before you say it, no Silver did not use 'em himself, he was actually syphoning the excess energy from Sonic and Shadow. And for Blaze, those aren't Chaos Emeralds.

Took longer than I thought... hope I didn't break a brain or two...

Posted by eDiT mAsTeR (Guest) on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 10:45am
I hope Sega brings these emeralds back in their sonic games... the return of Hyper Sonic... imagine that!

Posted by Jay (Guest) on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 11:25am
@BattleStarX
Good theory but I do belive that there are one or two problems with it.
You see Shadow was not based on Sonic or the tablet he was just created and coincidentally looks like Super Sonic.

My theory (one of them) is that because the Chaos Emeralds can change peoples thoughts and emotions into power that the will to save the world and the people changes that into a power which allows them to go super. I belive this because Shadow gained the power after he rememberd Maria's real wish.

Also I wouldn't say Knuckles and Tails have lost their super forms maybe they just don't use it. Why? Well if Super Sonic gets beat they may need a fallback plan and they may need to use their forms or they just don't think they need to.

Posted by Angel85 on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 11:53am
The questioned ancient tablet of Supersonic is actually IN the hidden palace zone, its as old an angel island itself, yet apparently depicts supersonic battling Robotnik's giant battle suit (the final boss in doomsday zone) It was also mentioned in the comic. I kind of like the "Sonic is the reincarnation of an ancient hero" line, but there is no canon reference to that. Shadow can use the chaos emeralds because he has black arms DNA, and they could use chaos control. As for Knuckles and Tails, I blame the game mechanics for robbing them of their super forms. Since Sonic Adventure SEGA apparently made the choice to keep Supersonic as a plot device for fighting the final boss, and since Sonic was the one who did it they just casually dropped the other super forms. I don't think there is any story justification for it, just practical gameplay reasons.

Posted by Shike on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 12:42pm
My biggest problem with Sonic heroes was that in the end, He goes super sonic while just encasing Knuckles and Tails in golden orbs. But then in sonic adventure 2, it's shown that two individuals can share the power to both go super, and then in Sonic Next gen, it shows he can empower others to become super.

Posted by jtubbesi (Guest) on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 2:02pm
@Shike
Maybe only 2 people can share the power, with 3 there may not be enough. By the way which game is the Sonic Next gen. I don't read sonic comics or watch the sonic tv shows if that is what you were referring to.

Posted by Sonow on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 3:14pm
next gen is the one with Silver, and meph, who kills sonic with a crystal. (CRYSTAL MEPH JOKE. HA.)

Indeed, sonic heroes did suck some major amount of cock points for that... Maybe because whereas Knuckles could go super, Tails needs much more power to do so. Even as hyper sonic, it might still be a toughy.

Posted by DeltaX (Guest) on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 6:45pm
@Jay(Guest)
Your ideas do have some logical backing to them, but i would have to agree with BattleStarX. There is no canon reasoning as to why Shadow is a ridiculously close copy of Sonic, but that stone tablet near the emerald altar is the best guess. And Shadow is able to harness chaos energy in many forms because he has Black Doom's blood, who also happens to have his own "super form" if you prefer to call it that. Sonic can harness their energy because that tablet almost flat out states that he's been chosen to fight Robotnik. Plus he's been around them the most of any other character it seems, so a constant super form would be logical. The others don't really have super forms anymore possibly because SEGA is trying to make that a reserved ability for the more prime characters in their storyline.
Or they could just be screwing with us like when they made Sonic Next Gen. I don't really know.

Posted by Scipio (Guest) on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 7:13pm
Personally I believe that there has to be some kind of a link to go super with the Chaos Emeralds but, not for the Super Emeralds. Sonic is basically the guardian of the Chaos Emeralds and that tablet thing, Shadow has the Black Doom DNA and he was made specifically to use the Chaos Emeralds, Knuckles is the Guardian of the Master Emerald, and maybe Silver is related to Sonic or Shadow or his Super Form has something to do with his powers but we don't know anything about Silvers time except that it is (or at least was) apocalyptic. Maybe Knuckles doesn't go super because he thinks that Sonic can handle it by himself.
But this is all just speculation.

Posted by Game Over on Mon Oct 13th 2008 at 10:58pm
Lots of words hurts my head......

Posted by Typhoon the Fox (Guest) on Tue Oct 14th 2008 at 5:57pm
Wait...
What game are the super emeralds from?

Posted by redjirachi on Mon Jan 12th 2009 at 10:51pm
I wanna see Hyper Shadow and Hyper Mega Hedgehog!it would be so awesome!

Posted by Ud the Imp (Guest) on Fri Jan 23rd 2009 at 11:12am
THE KING HAS TRULY GONE MAD!!!!!

Posted by Guest on Tue Jun 15th 2010 at 3:52pm
Hyper Knuckles needs to show up *****

Posted by Speedy the Hedgehog (Guest) on Mon Aug 9th 2010 at 8:48am
THE SUPER EMERALDS!?!?!?!?uh oh this might be trouble
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Posted by blitz5000 on Fri Nov 19th 2010 at 2:12pm
what's stupid is that tails and knuckles both have super forms, but in sonic heroes they only have bubbles. I mean, really? it's as if they've just forgot about the old games. I'm pretty sure sonic heroes' final boss must have really pissed some older fans off.

Posted by blitz5000 on Fri Nov 19th 2010 at 2:16pm
also I see a red line. I'm just gonna assume it's protoman.

Posted by SotiCoto (Guest) on Wed Feb 2nd 2011 at 4:12am
Screw the Hypers... Bring on Super-Tails and his all-destroying Super-Bluebirds of DOOOOOM!

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